gotta rant little 64 32 bit versions

I took the plunge and installed 64 bit in some of the production machines in my shop. We also happen to be using Epson all in one printers. Of course no drivers. This weekend I got the Microsoft prepared dvd's and installed both versions on different machines in a raid 0 configuration. Everything works. Except my printers. I installed it in the warehouse and tried other Epsons, a Canon, several HP's and a very old NEC. The only one that even tried was the NEC. The manufacturers ignored us when XP 64 came out and I pestered them with constant emails and telephone calls until I got drivers. Looks like I have to start all over again. These people don't seem to realize that Vista is here and will inherit the Windows market sooner that they think. Btw, Vista beta 2 along with Office 2007 beta 2 work very well in a production environment. The only pain is printing. If some of you would care to start emailing manufacturers requesting drivers it couldn't hurt.

Glad you aren't my IT dept ignoring Microsofts warning not to use for production. I have the same situation where 3 printers work with x86 version but no printer works in x64 yet. The Brother multi function scanner works. Go figure.
"Neal at Spectdar Computing" wrote in message

I took the plunge and installed 64 bit in some of the production machines in my shop. We also happen to be using Epson all in one printers. Of course no drivers. This weekend I got the Microsoft prepared dvd's and installed both versions on different machines in a raid 0 configuration. Everything works. Except my printers. I installed it in the warehouse and tried other Epsons, a Canon, several HP's and a very old NEC. The only one that even tried was the NEC. The manufacturers ignored us when XP 64 came out and I pestered them with constant emails and telephone calls until I got drivers. Looks like I have to start all over again. These people don't seem to realize that Vista is here and will inherit the Windows market sooner that they think. Btw, Vista beta 2 along with Office 2007 beta 2 work very well in a production environment. The only pain is printing. If some of you would care to start emailing manufacturers requesting drivers it couldn't hurt.

Epson does have some of their models with XP64 drivers, check out their website.
My R800 and 3170 scanner both install under Vista64 using the XP64 drivers. The scanner would install under Vista32 but the printer won't using their 32bit drivers.
"Neal at Spectdar Computing" wrote in message

I took the plunge and installed 64 bit in some of the production machines in my shop. We also happen to be using Epson all in one printers. Of course no drivers. This weekend I got the Microsoft prepared dvd's and installed both versions on different machines in a raid 0 configuration. Everything works. Except my printers. I installed it in the warehouse and tried other Epsons, a Canon, several HP's and a very old NEC. The only one that even tried was the NEC. The manufacturers ignored us when XP 64 came out and I pestered them with constant emails and telephone calls until I got drivers. Looks like I have to start all over again. These people don't seem to realize that Vista is here and will inherit the Windows market sooner that they think. Btw, Vista beta 2 along with Office 2007 beta 2 work very well in a production environment. The only pain is printing. If some of you would care to start emailing manufacturers requesting drivers it couldn't hurt.

"Neal at Spectdar Computing" wrote in message

I took the plunge and installed 64 bit in some of the production machines in my shop. We also happen to be using Epson all in one printers. Of course no drivers. This weekend I got the Microsoft prepared dvd's and installed both versions on different machines in a raid 0 configuration. Everything works. Except my printers. I installed it in the warehouse and tried other Epsons, a Canon, several HP's and a very old NEC. The only one that even tried was the NEC. The manufacturers ignored us when XP 64 came out and I pestered them with constant emails and telephone calls until I got drivers. Looks like I have to start all over again. These people don't seem to realize that Vista is here and will inherit the Windows market sooner that they think. Btw, Vista beta 2 along with Office 2007 beta 2 work very well in a production environment. The only pain is printing. If some of you would care to start emailing manufacturers requesting drivers it couldn't hurt.

Production machines? People who install a beta on their primary computers, especially one that is not even a release candidate, are *fools* and quite irresponsible. If I were your boss, I would fire you. There are IT bosses who wait until at least the first service pack before committing to a new operating system. No, Vista is not here. I remember how concerned Microsoft was after XP came out- it took many businesses longer than they thought to upgrade from NT and 2000. Even businesses using Win98 at employee workstations took their sweet time. I like Vista, but I believe the move to Vista will be even slower for many businesses. XP is a solid OS and I see no compelling reason to rush and upgrade. Only those who like the "latest and greatest" thing when it first comes out. A responsible IT manager would make sure an OS upgrade was needed and the software solid before putting it on "production machines". Reminds me of so many of those fools who rushed out like ignoramuses to buy the XBOX 360 when it first came out. So many problems with the first batches that came out, from overheating to bad DVD drives. I got my XBOX 360 a month ago, it works flawlessly; and I didn't have to act the fool stampeding stores trying to buy one. Now, I hear, that the XBOX 360 will be changing processors to one that is a bit more powerful *and* runs cooler. Sometimes it pays to let others be first. The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
Because of the hardware requirements of Vista, I see many IT departments not upgrading anytime soon after the Vista release.
You and anyone else who have ignored the warnings and common sense and installed Vista OS as their primary OS deserve whatever problems may come your way.
-Michael

I have a little ol Epson Stylus Photo 1270 wide format printer and it installed all by itself, I did not have to provide an drivers. Oh yeah, this was on x86 and x64..2 different machines, neither had a working OS before install.
"MICHAEL" wrote in message

"Neal at Spectdar Computing" NealatSpectdarComputing@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message I took the plunge and installed 64 bit in some of the production machines in my shop. We also happen to be using Epson all in one printers. Of course no drivers. This weekend I got the Microsoft prepared dvd's and installed both versions on different machines in a raid 0 configuration. Everything works. Except my printers. I installed it in the warehouse and tried other Epsons, a Canon, several HP's and a very old NEC. The only one that even tried was the NEC. The manufacturers ignored us when XP 64 came out and I pestered them with constant emails and telephone calls until I got drivers. Looks like I have to start all over again. These people don't seem to realize that Vista is here and will inherit the Windows market sooner that they think. Btw, Vista beta 2 along with Office 2007 beta 2 work very well in a production environment. The only pain is printing. If some of you would care to start emailing manufacturers requesting drivers it couldn't hurt.
Production machines? People who install a beta on their primary computers, especially one that is not even a release candidate, are *fools* and quite irresponsible. If I were your boss, I would fire you. There are IT bosses who wait until at least the first service pack before committing to a new operating system. No, Vista is not here. I remember how concerned Microsoft was after XP came out- it took many businesses longer than they thought to upgrade from NT and 2000. Even businesses using Win98 at employee workstations took their sweet time. I like Vista, but I believe the move to Vista will be even slower for many businesses. XP is a solid OS and I see no compelling reason to rush and upgrade. Only those who like the "latest and greatest" thing when it first comes out. A responsible IT manager would make sure an OS upgrade was needed and the software solid before putting it on "production machines". Reminds me of so many of those fools who rushed out like ignoramuses to buy the XBOX 360 when it first came out. So many problems with the first batches that came out, from overheating to bad DVD drives. I got my XBOX 360 a month ago, it works flawlessly; and I didn't have to act the fool stampeding stores trying to buy one. Now, I hear, that the XBOX 360 will be changing processors to one that is a bit more powerful *and* runs cooler. Sometimes it pays to let others be first. The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
Because of the hardware requirements of Vista, I see many IT departments not upgrading anytime soon after the Vista release.
You and anyone else who have ignored the warnings and common sense and installed Vista OS as their primary OS deserve whatever problems may come your way.
-Michael

It was amazing to watch it install the chipset drivers. I had a live internet connection as soon as the install was done. Still no luck with Epson however.
"Zapper" wrote:

I have a little ol Epson Stylus Photo 1270 wide format printer and it installed all by itself, I did not have to provide an drivers. Oh yeah, this was on x86 and x64..2 different machines, neither had a working OS before install.
"MICHAEL" wrote in message "Neal at Spectdar Computing" NealatSpectdarComputing@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message I took the plunge and installed 64 bit in some of the production machines in my shop. We also happen to be using Epson all in one printers. Of course no drivers. This weekend I got the Microsoft prepared dvd's and installed both versions on different machines in a raid 0 configuration. Everything works. Except my printers. I installed it in the warehouse and tried other Epsons, a Canon, several HP's and a very old NEC. The only one that even tried was the NEC. The manufacturers ignored us when XP 64 came out and I pestered them with constant emails and telephone calls until I got drivers. Looks like I have to start all over again. These people don't seem to realize that Vista is here and will inherit the Windows market sooner that they think. Btw, Vista beta 2 along with Office 2007 beta 2 work very well in a production environment. The only pain is printing. If some of you would care to start emailing manufacturers requesting drivers it couldn't hurt.
Production machines? People who install a beta on their primary computers, especially one that is not even a release candidate, are *fools* and quite irresponsible. If I were your boss, I would fire you. There are IT bosses who wait until at least the first service pack before committing to a new operating system. No, Vista is not here. I remember how concerned Microsoft was after XP came out- it took many businesses longer than they thought to upgrade from NT and 2000. Even businesses using Win98 at employee workstations took their sweet time. I like Vista, but I believe the move to Vista will be even slower for many businesses. XP is a solid OS and I see no compelling reason to rush and upgrade. Only those who like the "latest and greatest" thing when it first comes out. A responsible IT manager would make sure an OS upgrade was needed and the software solid before putting it on "production machines". Reminds me of so many of those fools who rushed out like ignoramuses to buy the XBOX 360 when it first came out. So many problems with the first batches that came out, from overheating to bad DVD drives. I got my XBOX 360 a month ago, it works flawlessly; and I didn't have to act the fool stampeding stores trying to buy one. Now, I hear, that the XBOX 360 will be changing processors to one that is a bit more powerful *and* runs cooler. Sometimes it pays to let others be first. The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
Because of the hardware requirements of Vista, I see many IT departments not upgrading anytime soon after the Vista release.
You and anyone else who have ignored the warnings and common sense and installed Vista OS as their primary OS deserve whatever problems may come your way.
-Michael

I have to agree with Michael. There is no reason to install a Beta on production PC's other than to see what's new. That is for test environments. I was hesitant about even installing Office 2007 Beta on my PC, which I consider a test PC. On a user's PC? Never.
And that's just a simple office program. A brand new OS? LOL. I'd have to be drunk to put that on a production PC.
"MICHAEL" wrote in message

"Neal at Spectdar Computing" NealatSpectdarComputing@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message I took the plunge and installed 64 bit in some of the production machines in my shop. We also happen to be using Epson all in one printers. Of course no drivers. This weekend I got the Microsoft prepared dvd's and installed both versions on different machines in a raid 0 configuration. Everything works. Except my printers. I installed it in the warehouse and tried other Epsons, a Canon, several HP's and a very old NEC. The only one that even tried was the NEC. The manufacturers ignored us when XP 64 came out and I pestered them with constant emails and telephone calls until I got drivers. Looks like I have to start all over again. These people don't seem to realize that Vista is here and will inherit the Windows market sooner that they think. Btw, Vista beta 2 along with Office 2007 beta 2 work very well in a production environment. The only pain is printing. If some of you would care to start emailing manufacturers requesting drivers it couldn't hurt.
Production machines? People who install a beta on their primary computers, especially one that is not even a release candidate, are *fools* and quite irresponsible. If I were your boss, I would fire you. There are IT bosses who wait until at least the first service pack before committing to a new operating system. No, Vista is not here. I remember how concerned Microsoft was after XP came out- it took many businesses longer than they thought to upgrade from NT and 2000. Even businesses using Win98 at employee workstations took their sweet time. I like Vista, but I believe the move to Vista will be even slower for many businesses. XP is a solid OS and I see no compelling reason to rush and upgrade. Only those who like the "latest and greatest" thing when it first comes out. A responsible IT manager would make sure an OS upgrade was needed and the software solid before putting it on "production machines". Reminds me of so many of those fools who rushed out like ignoramuses to buy the XBOX 360 when it first came out. So many problems with the first batches that came out, from overheating to bad DVD drives. I got my XBOX 360 a month ago, it works flawlessly; and I didn't have to act the fool stampeding stores trying to buy one. Now, I hear, that the XBOX 360 will be changing processors to one that is a bit more powerful *and* runs cooler. Sometimes it pays to let others be first. The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
Because of the hardware requirements of Vista, I see many IT departments not upgrading anytime soon after the Vista release.
You and anyone else who have ignored the warnings and common sense and installed Vista OS as their primary OS deserve whatever problems may come your way.
-Michael

So that's where that case of Coors went. Hehe. I've beta tested for years and I always wait until RC1 or so. Putting it in a production environment is the real acid test. Plus, we have other machines with retail os's on them that pick up data from the network just in case.
"Badger" wrote:

I have to agree with Michael. There is no reason to install a Beta on production PC's other than to see what's new. That is for test environments. I was hesitant about even installing Office 2007 Beta on my PC, which I consider a test PC. On a user's PC? Never.
And that's just a simple office program. A brand new OS? LOL. I'd have to be drunk to put that on a production PC.
"MICHAEL" wrote in message "Neal at Spectdar Computing" NealatSpectdarComputing@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message I took the plunge and installed 64 bit in some of the production machines in my shop. We also happen to be using Epson all in one printers. Of course no drivers. This weekend I got the Microsoft prepared dvd's and installed both versions on different machines in a raid 0 configuration. Everything works. Except my printers. I installed it in the warehouse and tried other Epsons, a Canon, several HP's and a very old NEC. The only one that even tried was the NEC. The manufacturers ignored us when XP 64 came out and I pestered them with constant emails and telephone calls until I got drivers. Looks like I have to start all over again. These people don't seem to realize that Vista is here and will inherit the Windows market sooner that they think. Btw, Vista beta 2 along with Office 2007 beta 2 work very well in a production environment. The only pain is printing. If some of you would care to start emailing manufacturers requesting drivers it couldn't hurt.
Production machines? People who install a beta on their primary computers, especially one that is not even a release candidate, are *fools* and quite irresponsible. If I were your boss, I would fire you. There are IT bosses who wait until at least the first service pack before committing to a new operating system. No, Vista is not here. I remember how concerned Microsoft was after XP came out- it took many businesses longer than they thought to upgrade from NT and 2000. Even businesses using Win98 at employee workstations took their sweet time. I like Vista, but I believe the move to Vista will be even slower for many businesses. XP is a solid OS and I see no compelling reason to rush and upgrade. Only those who like the "latest and greatest" thing when it first comes out. A responsible IT manager would make sure an OS upgrade was needed and the software solid before putting it on "production machines". Reminds me of so many of those fools who rushed out like ignoramuses to buy the XBOX 360 when it first came out. So many problems with the first batches that came out, from overheating to bad DVD drives. I got my XBOX 360 a month ago, it works flawlessly; and I didn't have to act the fool stampeding stores trying to buy one. Now, I hear, that the XBOX 360 will be changing processors to one that is a bit more powerful *and* runs cooler. Sometimes it pays to let others be first. The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
Because of the hardware requirements of Vista, I see many IT departments not upgrading anytime soon after the Vista release.
You and anyone else who have ignored the warnings and common sense and installed Vista OS as their primary OS deserve whatever problems may come your way.
-Michael